Sorry for the long explanation, these two are really complicated. That sums everything up, pretty convincing. That's why he felt broken at the end. September 22, 2018 35m. JC understands that objectivly, he should hate WWX for what he did to him. I dont think hes ever actually hated him, did he want to hate him? , Although Jiang Cheng always dislikes Wei Wuxian, he actually cares about Wei Wuxian very much. Yunmeng Jiang Too much pain, grief and heartache after so many years. A subreddit dedicated to fans, by fans, of all versions and adaptations of Mo Dao Zu Shi! Audio Drama Welcome to r/MoDaZuShi! I didn't feel it was "bad writting" or disappointing. before (or even as he was) dying he destroyed the amulet. !, for a long time he did hate wwx, and still wants to hate him, however, 'He shouldve been able to loathe Wei WuXian without a care. I think I also saw it in some fan theories, but I believe it makes a lot of sense JC just basically being mad jealous that his brother would first go to some shit hole and Gusu than to Yunmeng To all of that, WWX doesn't seem to be sorry or wanting to apologise to him and JC is putting all the fault for Jiang sect struggles on WWX. He follows his Wei Wuxian to the ancestral hall of their clan and confronts Wei Wuxian about his role in the deaths of Jiang Fengmian, Yu Ziyuan, and Jiang Yanli, as well as his relationship with Lan Wangji. WWX was in a bad metal state, and Jin Zixuan, a person he disliked and suspected of being in cahoots with the mob trying to kill him was advancing on him. [37], After over a hundred junior disciples, including Jin Ling, are kidnapped and taken to the Burial Mounds, Jiang Cheng leads a second siege against the Yiling Patriarch. I personally don't think that he believed WWX to "not die". He reveals that he had been devastated when Wei Wuxian left the Yunmeng Jiang Clan and broken his promise to be the Twin Prides of Yunmeng with him. A subset of the letters Jiang Cheng never sent to Wei Wuxian. They are then saved by Wei Wuxian's return as a demonic cultivator. The author gives the readers closure when we are told that Jiang Cheng did not disobey Wei Wuxian's order to stay put for the sake . [55], After the Guanyin Temple incident, Jiang Cheng reflects on how he once sacrificed himself for Wei Wuxian and also includes a heartfelt wish for his martial brother to live well. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} At Langya, he has to stop Wei Wuxian from beating Jin Zixuan after a misunderstanding with Jiang Yanli pushes her to tears. Or if he were then we didnt see enough development to lead to that. [53], As a teenager, Jiang Cheng encounters Wen Qing at the Cloud Recesses and develops romantic feelings for her. Jiang Cheng is unconcerned with dark technique so long as the user kills their shared enemies. According to the Author's Weibo, Jiang Cheng also notices that Wei Wuxian takes on a flirtatious tone when speaking with Lan Wangji, in contrast to Wei Wuxian's tone with him. Wei Wuxian returned to his home after finishing his training at the Gusu Lan Sect, and a series of disastrous events made him give away his spiritual power to save the life of his martial brother, Jiang Cheng. After seeing that Wei Wuxian is determined to restore the consciousness of Wen Ning's Fierce Corpse, he and Wei Wuxian quarrel more, until Wei Wuxian insists on leaving the Yunmeng Jiang Clan to protect them from trouble. (Probably the price of destroying the Stygian Amulet). As Wei Wuxian gains enough mental strength to begin stopping the corpses, Jiang Yanli pushes him suddenly out of the way; taking a sword to the throat, she dies to save Wei Wuxian. Eventually, he releases his martial brother and breaks down in tears. In retribution, Jin Guangyao reminds Jiang Cheng just how easily he had allowed his jealousy and pride to keep him from protecting Wei Wuxian. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.3b33fc17a17cec1345d4_.css.map*/WWX broke the seal, couldn't control his undead army and they turned on him. I think that's why WWX shakes LWJ off. Jiang Yanli ran all the way over to the battlefield (unarmed), and she was injured but nothing too serious, she told Wei Wuxian to stop fightingwhen a mob is around them who would definitely attack should that happen, but she was grieving and Wei Wuxian too wasn't in the right mindset, the moment he stopped someone immediately tried to kill him, she saw that and pushed him out of the way and was killed, and Jiang Cheng saw all of this happen, he has no reason to blame it on Wei Wuxian. I was super engaged for the first half, but by the time they were explaining wei yings backstory about how jiang yanli died I was just unconvinced by the plots developments. He runs out to distract them, and as a result, he is captured instead of Wei Wuxian. I was expecting it, anticipating it even. So the way he behaves at the end, saying "can't I hate you" and "why are you so awesome", etc is a direct result of (a) spending 13 years thinking WWX CHOSE to keep using demonic cultivation for fun and profit until it killed JZX, JYL, thousands of cultivators and then WWX himself, and trying to hate him for that, and (b) he thinks of the core transfer the way Wen Ning talks about it: as WWX being so superior to him and as proof that JC is a clown and worthless. Web Series Yes, what WWX was morally just, but it basically spelled his doom and the doom of the barely hanging on at the time Yunmeng Jiang Sect. But he cannot because he knows it was motivated by good intentions and righteous actions. Looking at Wei Wu Xian's reaction to Lan Wangji's question, I personally think that he took his own life just like in the web series, But I am not sure of how he did so. Also Wei Wuxian wasn't a threat to the cultivational world, they all knew of his unorthodox cultivation of course, but no one was really treating him as a threat with even people showing up at the foot of the mountain because they wanted to join the "sect of Yiling Patriarch", its only after Jiang Wanyin goes up the mountain, and argues with Wei Wuxian to give the remnants back to the Jin's does Wei Wuxian says to tell everyone he defected from the Sect, and what Jiang Wanyin does instead, he declares Wei Wuxian an enemy of the sect, which then Jin Guangshan uses to raise hostilities.So despite knowing everything he still chooses to hate Wei Wuxian and blames him for everything, we can say this a deep rooted mentality (in the extras, chapter 125 pre canon Madam Yu whips Wei Wuxian for no reason, he tells him he deserved it) when the core transfer is revealed, he can no longer make himself believe that its Wei Wuxians fault, hence he realises more and more of being a 'clown'.Please don't try to say Madam Yu was right in being an abusive personthis is not what she meant at all, she didnt really consider her words at all, in XuanWu cave, if Wen Sect is openly saying to kill two sect heirsdo you think they would have let everyone else leave alive? They also cut quite alot of scenes / dialogue from the book. (Chapter 59)And protecting the Wen Remnants wasn't anything difficult, Nie Mingjue and Lan Xichen asked about the debt and Jiang Wanyin just had to tell about Wen Qing and Wen Ning risking their lives to save them, (since Nie Mingjue original words were over Wen Qing's inaction, when she in fact took action when she saved the two, that was treason against her sect, had nmj and lxc known about the treason and that her branch was innocent, they would have definitely stepped in) Its highlighted with Jin Guangshan fanning his jealousy issues, he didn't want to speak up, rather than a political issue, the sects at the time are envious that he has Wei Wuxian, a powerful necromancer in his sect, meaning they do have power. Very interesting! The prologue introduces him as Wei Wuxian's shidi, making him younger than Wei Wuxian. Also, the lack of emotional development from wei yings perspective is so disappointing. Like I said at the beginning, the more he waited the angrier at WWX he got. I feel like we could have seen a lot more growth from WWX, but because his emotional struggle wasnt explored, I feel he didnt really grow as a person. 7.6 (175) Rate. 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As with any tragic hero, Ning's irreversible mistake is surrendering himself to the Jin Sect in an effort to help Wei Wuxian. Japan is dubbing it and they're a lot less censored in their anime content but other than the opening and ending and melodies I don't think they reanimated it to make it less censored. [4], After the Qishan Wen Clan demands that the Yunmeng Jiang Clan hand over at least one key member of their family to attend their training, Jiang Cheng quickly volunteers to go instead of Jiang Yanli. [30], A female innkeeper in Yunping City confirms this account, as she tells Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji that she knows a person who once approached Lotus Pier to help him deal with a problem. I think his strongest feeling was jealousy and envy which was influenced from his mom. [9], Jiang Cheng expresses his frustration that Wei Wuxian has gained the glory of killing the Xuanwu of Slaughter, while he suffered the less-sensational but arduous journey to find rescue. 13.6K 731 7. Wei Wuxian did have a gap in his memory in between using the seal in the battle of the nightless city and returning to the bottom of the Burial Mound, but he could remember what happened after . JYL IS marrying JZX, but remember, this is (psudo) ancient China: as a women Yanli doesn't have much political leverage. He also made a comment in the earlier chapters that someone among the living refused to let him rest in peace. After finding out that the reason WWX acted the way he did and the reason he continued with demonic cultivation even after losing control once is because he gave JC his golden core, a lot of WWX's earlier actions now look less like "WWX being an asshole for fun". [40], When Sisi and Bicao arrive, Jiang Cheng spends a significant amount of time interviewing the two women about Jin Guangyao's misdeeds. And then JGY does it again at the temple and blames him for everything that happened to WWX (which is pretty inaccurate). Chapter 7 Someone here has a theory that Nie Huaisang saves and locks Wei WuXian's soul in secret. Now that's all the numbers of reasons I think Jiang Cheng wronged Wei Wuxian and others mainly because he was choosing to look the other way or because he was acting like a spoiled brat. Like Lan Xichen and Lan Wangji are the Twin Jades of Gusu, so they will be the Twin Prides of Yunmeng. JC knows WWX would never, but the rest don't. Family WWX lost control of his anger and killed JZX. It must've been suicide. The three often play and catch fish. He also insisted on keeping his surname. Even after he killed his brother in law, although he did not go to comfort him like JYL did, and he did agree to the anti-WWX alliance, he didn't attack WWX. By the end of their excursion, Jiang Cheng promises Wei Wuxian he will chase dogs away for him. Jiang Cheng blames Wei Wuxian for the death of his brother-in-law when Wei Wuxian lost control of Wen Ning while learning how to control corpses. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. [9], Wei Wuxian then promises Jiang Cheng that when he becomes clan leader, he will serve as his right-hand man. In order to fix what happened to Jiang Cheng, Wei Wuxian does something which no one could do. [35], Wei Wuxian admits his identity, and Jiang Cheng angrily reminds him of his remark about Jin Ling's mother. Mrs. Yu bound Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng with purple electricity, protecting them well, but she kept the last dignity of the . And hes a clown I think one of the reasons he hates wwx that he always wanted to find someone to put all the blame and sadness on, JC can't hate WWX, even he himself said "shouldn't I hate you, can't I hate you?". Wei Wuxian made a face in his direction. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. After JYL and Jin ZiXuan died, JC was no longer able to accept WWX and fully turned on him. [14], Wen Ning aids Wei Wuxian's rescue of Jiang Cheng, taking both fugitives to hide with his sister Wen Qing in Yiling. But Wang Lingjiao gave out a signal that the Jiang family was afraid that they would be killed. So he did not want to return to the living. Then he thinks WWX killed and did lots of wrong things. I'm glad someone brought these things up. [27], Jiang Cheng is rumored to have killed Wei Wuxian himself, but the truth is that Wei Wuxian is torn apart by spiritual backlash. Jiang Fengmian was also the father-in-law of Jin Zixuan and the maternal grandfather of Jin Ling. Season 1. Anyway, I just have to remind myself that the author doesn't actually owe us anything so I'll just have to make do with what she gave us. Then again, this is only a theory that I believe in. @keyframes _1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT{0%{opacity:0}to{opacity:1}}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc{--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left:0px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;padding:3px 9px;position:absolute;border-radius:4px;margin-top:-6px;background:#000;color:#fff;animation:_1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT .5s step-end;z-index:100;white-space:pre-wrap}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc:after{content:"";position:absolute;top:100%;left:calc(50% - 4px - var(--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left));width:0;height:0;border-top:3px solid #000;border-left:4px solid transparent;border-right:4px solid transparent}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd{margin-top:6px}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after{border-bottom:3px solid #000;border-top:none;bottom:100%;top:auto} JC is a Sect Leader. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} Agree with dearclover . He always expected WWX to come back which is why he never stopped searching. [15], Jiang Cheng flees the scene and spends the rest of the night running amok at Lotus Pier, demanding to know if any cultivators besides him can unsheathe Suibian. Currently, the original novel by MXTX ( | M Xing Tng Xi) has been adapted into a donghua, manhua, audio drama and live action! I think if theres anyone JC actually hates, its himself and that again is because of his parents. [22], When Jiang Yanli gives birth to Jin Ling, Jiang Cheng and Jin Zixuan plan an elaborate seven-day and thirty-day celebration, the latter to which Wei Wuxian is also invited. he just feels like a clown now. As Wei Wuxian waits on the foot of the mountain, he is ambushed by the Wen sect and stabbed through the chest by Wen Chao's sword. An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works But i admit I would have preferred more of the extras to be about the side characters and not about WangXian being kinky xD. He captures him and keeps Fairy close while he interrogates him. Though Sizhui states that no one taken in this manner ever leaves Lotus Pier,[29] the ubiquitous understanding among the cultivational world is that he tortures them half to death rather than killing them. Its confusing because the animation and drama do not seem to follow the novel strictly. You cant raise their corpse or summon their soul to talk. [12], In the aftermath of the massacre, Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian find themselves fugitives as they travel to the Meishan Yu Clan to find Jiang Yanli. Jiang Cheng was born the second child of Yu Ziyuan and Jiang Fengmian. So use WWX's ages at signficant events. He begins to capture all cultivators whom he suspects are possessed by the soul of Wei Wuxian, taking them back to Lotus Pier for torture. I would guess he started to feel betrayed especially when he saw WWX with LWJ because he would have thought that WWX would come find him first. He coordinates with Lan Xichen and Lan Wangji to retrieve the swords of those who had attended the Wen's training and carried Wei Wuxian's Suibian alongside his Sandu. Sure they won't be like before. A subreddit dedicated to fans, by fans, of all versions and adaptations of Mo Dao Zu Shi! Episode #1.1. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The Author stated that Jiang Cheng and Wei WuXian's relationship is just friends, but for us they are more like siblings than friends. Live action changed it to censor the gore that would have happened and the anime shows the explosion and the amulet breaking but not a body ripping apart. so i mean, either way, the resentful spirits/energy from either his army or his amulet could have been the real cause of his death. Voice Actor (Chinese) In there, Wei Wuxian was killed by Jiang Cheng in the end of the cliff comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment chriswillar . Even if JC shouted that to the whole world, it wouldn't matter simply because WWX blindly gave his golden core to JC. It makes me think that he wanted to die and to stay dead. His escape, however, is interrupted by the arrival of the Fierce Corpse of Nie Mingjue. [1], Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian both attend the Cloud Recesses to learn from Lan Qiren. [10][11], Jiang Cheng is injured when Wen Zhuliu intervenes, and Wang Lingjiao sends off a signal for the Qishan Wen Clan to attack. An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works The part where jin Guangyao captured them all and he was just confessing his love for lanzhan was cringey at best. So that last bastion of hope. But out of the two of them, it's JC that bears the brunt of the damage WWX causes, politically. JC is a very realistic and relatable personality, which means he's complicated and his emotions aren't all that straightforward. Nevertheless, he continues to trail his nephew on night hunts in case of any danger. As you all know Madame yu is the former Matriarch of Yungmeng Jiang and the wife of Jiang Fengmian and mother to Jiang Cheng, Jiang Yangli and the adopted mother to Wei Wuxian. Hes lost everything at the hands of his friends and had nothing left to protect. In the end, Jiang Yanli has to carry both boys to Lotus Pier on her back, as both have injured their legs. I feel like in simpler terms, he hates that he can't hate wwx, and he feels guilty that he can't love him either. For Jiang Cheng is more difficult to know because we don't see his point of view that much, but it is obvious how heartbroken and betrayed he feel everytime his brother choose other people over him. Season 1, Episode 2 In the novel, he leads the siege on burial mounds that results in WWX's death. Also known as the Yiling Patriarch (, Ylng Loz), he died in the first siege of the Burial Mounds . The Land of Death: With Jiang Bian, Kei Gambit, Ketsu. Episode 1 [28], During the night hunt on Dafan Mountain, Jiang Cheng helps set up the Deity-Binding Nets to give Jin Ling an advantage over the other cultivators.